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So you think you know how the Macintosh came into existence?
   Pioneer Mac developer Bruce Horn sheds some light on the Mac's
   early development. Also, check out the latest news on PageMill
   and SiteMill updates, details on the new version of APS
   PowerTools, and last week's lost Newton MailBIT. Finally, we
   round out the issue with another installment of InterviewBITS,
   this time with Darryl Peck, founder of Inline Software and
   Cyberian Outpost

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Topics:
    MailBITS/25-Mar-96
    New Version of APS PowerTools
    On Xerox, Apple, and Progress
    InterviewBITS with Darryl Peck, Part 1 of 2
    Reviews/25-Mar-96

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MailBITS/25-Mar-96
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  If you're interested in reading a short interview I did recently
  and learning more about the computer book industry, check out:
  [ACE]

<http://www.studiob.com/cafe.html>


**EarthLink Network Sponsoring TidBITS** -- We're pleased to
  welcome our latest sponsor, the national Internet provider
  EarthLink Network. EarthLink is best known for expanding from
  being a Los Angeles-area provider to offering flat-rate nationwide
  dialup service in 210 cities and also an inexpensive (as it goes)
  800 number for dialup access. EarthLink offers true Internet
  connections, and their TotalAccess package provides an automated
  signup process via a customized version of MacPPP, and installs
  licensed copies of Netscape and Eudora Light.

  I've followed EarthLink Network from its beginnings, because in a
  small way I'm responsible for their existence. Way back in late
  1993 or early 1994, EarthLink founder Sky Dayton bought my book,
  Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh, and - after reading it - sent
  me mail asking what I thought about creating an integrated
  Internet program. He was ready to find funding and hire
  programmers, but I talked him out of it over the course of a few
  messages. Then, in June of 1994, I got mail from Sky again, saying
  he'd put the integrated Internet program project on the back
  burner and was starting an Internet service provider in LA. At the
  time, there were hardly any providers in LA, and none, if I
  remember right, who knew much about the Mac and PPP connections.

  I remember thinking then, as I do now, that being an Internet
  service provider isn't a job I'd like to have, but Sky and the
  folks he hired to work with him at EarthLink have done an
  incredible job of growing the company, so much so that at times
  they've had troubling training people quickly enough. When I
  stopped by the EarthLink booth at Macworld SF this year and asked
  for Sky, the woman I spoke with had only been working with
  EarthLink for a few days and didn't even realize who Sky was. Such
  are the problems with growth, and going national opened the
  floodgates. Once you're caught up in the floodwaters, though, it's
  best to go all out, and I wish them luck. [ACE]


**Newtons in the Dark** -- Apple recently announced the Newton
  MessagePad 130, which resembles its predecessor, the MessagePad
  120, but adds several key features, including a user-controllable
  backlit screen, a new writing surface that's more durable and less
  prone to glare, and 512K of additional system memory. The 130 has
  8 MB of ROM and 2.5 MB of RAM, resulting in 1,361K of RAM
  available to the user. Apple expects the 130 to be available
  beginning in April for $799. Apple's propaganda didn't mention any
  upgrade programs from previous models. [ACE]


**As the Update Mill Turns** -- In the wake of its withdrawal of
  PageMill 1.0.1, Adobe has quickly released PageMill 1.0.2.
  PageMill devotees will recall that 1.0.1 brought PageMill up to
  the level of the PageMill portion of Adobe's recently released
  SiteMill 1.0 (see TidBITS-317_). But, both PageMill 1.0.1 and
  SiteMill 1.0 have a problem which manifested itself by damaging
  graphics. The PageMill 1.0 to 1.0.2 and 1.0.1 to 1.0.2 updaters
  fix the problem, as does the SiteMill 1.0 to SiteMill 1.0.2
  updater.

  You can download updaters for PageMill 1.0, PageMill 1.0.1, and
  SiteMill from Adobe's Web site. Adobe's FTP site currently offers
  a PageMill 1.0 to 1.0.2 updater and a SiteMill updater, but no
  PageMill 1.0.1 to 1.0.2 updater. Adobe has also posted updated
  PageMill documentation, which now includes an index. [TJE]

<http://www.adobe.com/Software.html>
<ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/Applications/PageMill/>


New Version of APS PowerTools
-----------------------------
  by Florin Neumann <[e-mail]>

  APS Technologies, a leading vendor of data storage devices for the
  Mac [and a sponsor of TidBITS -Adam] has recently released version
  4.0 of its disk management utility, APS PowerTools, which is
  bundled with every APS drive.

<http://www.apstech.com/>

  ProSoft Engineering wrote version 3 of APS PowerTools for APS, but
  after the release of version 3.6 the contract with ProSoft was
  discontinued, and APS licensed PowerTools 4.0.x from CharisMac
  Engineering. Version 3.6 has several small bugs, which ProSoft -
  though no longer bound by contract to support it - fixed in
  version 3.8. APS, though it no longer supports PowerTools 3, has
  placed upgrades to version 3.8 on its FTP site. These actions are
  both remarkable and commendable.


**PowerTools 4** -- With version 4.0, PowerTools now supports a
  wide range of disk drives, including IDE drives and the new low-
  cost removable Zip drive. In other respects, though, version 4
  offers the same capabilities as version 3, albeit with a different
  interface. I'm not as fond of version 4's interface; it feels more
  sluggish than 3.8 on my LC 475 and Power Mac 7100/80, and there
  are a few confusing items. For instance, in version 4, SCSI ID 7
  (which 3.8 doesn't show because it's always assigned to the Mac
  CPU) is identified only as "INITIATOR" - a term familiar to SCSI
  propeller-heads that may confuse users unfamiliar with SCSI
  terminology. (There's no entry in the manual index for initiator.)
  One good thing about version 4.0, though, is the Help menu, which
  concisely describes every command.

  The Drive Controls control panel from version 3 has been replaced
  by the APT Extension/APT Mounter application tandem. The APT
  Extension loads device drivers at startup and displays a SCSI bus
  status window, showing the SCSI devices as they mount; the APT
  Mounter is used to configure the extension and to mount devices
  after startup. An optional performance-enhancing utility that lets
  users change internal drive settings, APS PowerControl, comes with
  PowerTools as the APS PowerTools Professional Package.

  APS PowerTools 3 and 4 are intended to support only APS drives and
  although APS PowerTools 4's end-user license is for APS drives
  only, it supports a wider range of drives than version 3, many of
  which were never sold by APS.

  Should you upgrade to APS PowerTools 4? If you're happy with
  version 3, sticking with or upgrading to version 3.8 may be your
  easiest option. If you have drives from other manufacturers -
  especially something like a Zip drive - and you don't mind the
  backup/reformat/restore process involved, you can't beat the cost
  of upgrading.


**Upgrades** -- If you already have PowerTools 4, note that the
  program is currently at version 4.0.4. Version 4.0.4 contains
  numerous bug fixes and enhancements (check the PowerTools Updates
  directory on the APS FTP site for a complete list of changes).
  Updates from older versions of PowerTools 3.x to version 3.8 are
  also available.

<ftp://ftp.apstech.com/PowerTools_Updates/> (use with Anarchie or Fetch)
<ftp://ftp.apstech.com/Pub/PowerTools_Updates/> (use with Web browsers)

  Users of PowerTools version 3 who wish to upgrade to version 4
  should contact APS Technologies Sales at 800/233-7550 or
  <[e-mail]>. The update costs $4.95 and is delivered by
  regular mail. If you decide to upgrade, note that - as is usual
  when switching from one disk formatting package to another -
  installing a new driver requires reinitializing (and thus a full
  backup and restore) the disk, because partition maps are
  different.

  APS also has a separate CD-ROM support package called APS CD
  Autocache 1.1.2. It too is available as an inexpensive update for
  APS PowerTools 3 users, and updates from previous versions are
  available at the URLs below.

<ftp://ftp.apstech.com/APS_CD-Autocache/> (use with Anarchie or Fetch)
<ftp://ftp.apstech.com/Pub/APS_CD-Autocache/> (use with Web browsers)


On Xerox, Apple, and Progress
-----------------------------
  by Bruce Horn <[e-mail]>

  [Any number of people will try to tell you about the origins of
  the Macintosh, but Bruce Horn was one of the people who made it
  happen. From 1973 to 1981, Bruce was a student in the Learning
  Research Group at Xerox, where Smalltalk, an interactive, object-
  oriented programming language, was developed. While there, he
  worked on various projects including the NoteTaker, a portable
  Smalltalk machine, and wrote the initial Dorado Smalltalk
  microcode for Smalltalk-76. At the Central Institute for
  Industrial Research in Oslo, Norway, in 1980, he ported Smalltalk-
  78 to an 8086 machine, the Mycron-2000.

  At Apple (1981-1984), Bruce's contributions included the design
  and implementation of the Resource Manager, the Dialog Manager and
  the Finder (with implementation help from Steve Capps). He was
  also responsible for the type framework for documents,
  applications, and clipboard data, and a number of system-level
  design decisions. Since then, Bruce consulted on a variety of
  projects in the late 1980's at Apple and received a Ph.D. in
  Computer Science from Carnegie-Mellon University in 1993. He
  continues to work as a computer science consultant with Apple and
  other companies.]


**Where It All Began** -- For more than a decade now, I've
  listened to the debate about where the Macintosh user interface
  came from. Most people assume it came directly from Xerox, after
  Steve Jobs went to visit Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center).
  This "fact" is reported over and over, by people who don't know
  better (and also by people who should!). Unfortunately, it just
  isn't true - there are some similarities between the Apple
  interface and the various interfaces on Xerox systems, but the
  differences are substantial.

  Steve did see Smalltalk when he visited PARC. He saw the Smalltalk
  integrated programming environment, with the mouse selecting text,
  pop-up menus, windows, and so on. The Lisa group at Apple built a
  system based on their own ideas combined with what they could
  remember from the Smalltalk demo, and the Mac folks built yet
  another system. There is a significant difference between using
  the Mac and Smalltalk.

  Smalltalk has no Finder, and no need for one, really. Drag-and-
  drop file manipulation came from the Mac group, along with many
  other unique concepts: resources and dual-fork files for storing
  layout and international information apart from code; definition
  procedures; drag-and-drop system extension and configuration;
  types and creators for files; direct manipulation editing of
  document, disk, and application names; redundant typed data for
  the clipboard; multiple views of the file system; desk
  accessories; and control panels, among others. The Lisa group
  invented some fundamental concepts as well: pull down menus, the
  imaging and windowing models based on QuickDraw, the clipboard,
  and cleanly internationalizable software.

  Smalltalk had a three-button mouse and pop-up menus, in contrast
  to the Mac's menu bar and one-button mouse. Smalltalk didn't even
  have self-repairing windows - you had to click in them to get them
  to repaint, and programs couldn't draw into partially obscured
  windows. Bill Atkinson did not know this, so he invented regions
  as the basis of QuickDraw and the Window Manager so that he could
  quickly draw in covered windows and repaint portions of windows
  brought to the front. One Macintosh feature identical to a
  Smalltalk feature is selection-based modeless text editing with
  cut and paste, which was created by Larry Tesler for his Gypsy
  editor at PARC.

  As you may be gathering, the difference between the Xerox system
  architectures and Macintosh architecture is huge; much bigger than
  the difference between the Mac and Windows. It's not surprising,
  since Microsoft saw quite a bit of the Macintosh design (API's,
  sample code, etc.) during the Mac's development from 1981 to 1984;
  the intention was to help them write applications for the Mac, and
  it also gave their system designers a template from which to
  design Windows. In contrast, the Mac and Lisa designers had to
  invent their own architectures. Of course, there were some ex-
  Xerox people in the Lisa and Mac groups, but the design point for
  these machines was so different that we didn't leverage our
  knowledge of the Xerox systems as much as some people think.

  The hardware itself was an amazing step forward as well. It
  offered an all-in-one design, four-voice sound, small footprint,
  clock, auto-eject floppies, serial ports, and so on. The small,
  portable, appealing case was a serious departure from the ugly-
  box-on-an-ugly-box PC world, thanks to Jerry Manock and his crew.
  Even the packaging showed amazing creativity and passion - do any
  of you remember unpacking an original 128K Mac? The Mac, the
  unpacking instructions, the profusely-illustrated and beautifully-
  written manuals, and the animated practice program with audio
  cassette were tastefully packaged in a cardboard box with Picasso-
  style graphics on the side.


**Looking Back** -- In my opinion, the software architectures
  developed at Xerox for Smalltalk and the Xerox Star were
  significantly more advanced than either the Mac or Windows. The
  Star was a tremendous accomplishment, with features that current
  systems haven't even started to implement, though I see OpenDoc as
  a strong advance past the Xerox systems. I have great respect for
  the amazing computer scientists at Xerox PARC, who led the way
  with innovations we all take for granted now, and from whom I
  learned a tremendous amount about software design.

  Apple could have developed a more complex, sophisticated system
  rivaling the Xerox architectures. But the Mac had to ship, and it
  had to be relatively inexpensive - we couldn't afford the time or
  expense of the "best possible" design. As a "little brother" to
  the Lisa, the Macintosh didn't have multitasking or protection -
  we didn't have space for the extra code or stack required. The
  original Macintosh had extremely tight memory and disk
  constraints; for example, the Resource Manager took up less than
  3,000 bytes of code in the ROM, and the Finder was only 46K on
  disk. We made _many_ design decisions that we regretted to some
  extent - even at the time some of us felt disappointed at the
  compromises we had to make - but if we had done it differently,
  would we have shipped at all?


**The Past and Future** -- In many ways, the computing world has
  made remarkably small advances since 1976, and we continually
  reinvent the wheel. Smalltalk had a nice bytecoded multi-platform
  virtual machine long before Java. Object oriented programming is
  the hot thing now, and it's almost 30 years old (see the Simula-67
  language). Environments have not progressed much either: I feel
  the Smalltalk environments from the late 1970's are the most
  pleasant, cleanest, fastest, and smoothest programming
  environments I have ever used. Although CodeWarrior is reasonably
  good for C++ development, I haven't seen anything that compares
  favorably to the Smalltalk systems I used almost 20 years ago. The
  Smalltalk systems of today aren't as clean, easy to use, or well-
  designed as the originals, in my opinion.

  We are not even _close_ to the ultimate computing-information-
  communication device. We have much more work to do on system
  architectures and user interfaces. In particular, user interface
  design must be driven by deep architectural issues and not just
  new graphical appearances; interfaces are structure, not image.
  Neither Copland nor Windows 95 (nor NT, for that matter) represent
  the last word on operating systems. Unfortunately, market forces
  are slowing the development of the next revolution. Still, I think
  you can count on Apple being the company bringing these
  improvements to next generation systems.

  I'm sure some things I remember as having originated at Apple were
  independently developed elsewhere. But the Mac brought them to the
  world.

  [This article originally appeared in Guy Kawasaki's Evangelist -
  for more information send email to <[e-mail]>.]


InterviewBITS with Darryl Peck, Part 1 of 2
-------------------------------------------
  by Adam C. Engst <[e-mail]>

  Welcome to the second installment of InterviewBITS. This interview
  is with Darryl Peck <[e-mail]> whose name is less familiar
  than that of our previous interviewee, Peter N Lewis. Nonetheless,
  Darryl has been a major participant in the world of the Macintosh
  for years, and most recently, has expanded his horizons to the
  Internet. Darryl was president of the New York Mac Users' Group
  (NYMUG) for a year after being the group's sysop. Darryl then
  started Inline Software, a small Macintosh publishing firm known
  for some innovative utilities and about a dozen games, including
  the relatively recent PopupFolder and the Eddy Award-winning 3 in
  Three. After running Inline Software for six years, Darryl sold
  the company to Focus Enhancements, which has done little with the
  Inline products. Next, in mid-1995, Darryl founded Cyberian
  Outpost, a retailer of hardware and software on the Web. Cyberian
  Outpost is unusual in the Internet retailing market for being run
  primarily on Macs and catering more to the Macintosh world than
  many other Internet retailers.

<http://www.cybout.com>


* [Adam] Can you tell us about the history of Inline Software -
  who, why, what products, and so on...?

  [Darryl] It's a funny story. Inline was started purely by
  accident. An old friend and I had started a company called Inline
  Design that was meant to be a furniture and yacht design firm.
  While we were trying to pull that together, I went to northern
  California for a few months to write articles for magazines,
  mostly automotive-related (when I am not in front of my computer I
  am probably watching a race with my three-year-old daughter), and
  finally bought myself a Mac instead of writing on legal pads. I
  bought a Mac Plus, a $750 20 MB hard disk, an ImageWriter II, and
  a 1200 baud modem.

  However my writing productivity went directly into the toilet as I
  discovered the world of BBSs and CompuServe. I slept an average of
  two hours a night for the first six weeks I had the Mac and
  actually wrote a few freeware HyperCard stacks that found their
  way around the planet. I think I downloaded every file on every
  Mac BBS in northern California within a few weeks. I couldn't get
  enough of it. I was seriously hooked on my Mac and thought of
  pitching a tent in Cupertino just to hang around Apple.

  In any case, I returned to my native New York City, got heavily
  involved with NYMUG, and found out that the friend I started
  Inline with had actually been accepted as an Apple Developer. He
  did it just so he could buy a Mac II for half price, but for me,
  it was a gold mine of information and tons of cool stuff with
  Apple logos. I loved it! However, Apple called one day to ask what
  we had developed since that was a requirement to stay in the
  program. The thought of losing my flow of Apple stuff was so
  horrifying that I decided to find a way to stay in the program.

  It turned out that my friend had a friend who was heavily into
  gaming and was just finishing a HyperCard-based game called
  Bomber, which he intended to post as shareware. I convinced him to
  let me publish it by saying that if we sold 5,000 copies we would
  have about $100,000 in return. He bought the proposal and off we
  went. Rather than start another company, I used the Inline Design
  name we had already registered. Since I did not anticipate this
  being much more than a way to stay in the developer's program, I
  didn't want to spend an extra dime. I was still working in the
  film business as a gaffer so I had to run Inline on my days off
  and at nights.

* [Adam] A gaffer? Hang on a second. You just said you had started
  a furniture and yacht design firm, but had gone off to California
  to write articles for automotive magazines. Where does being a
  gaffer fit in - and what the heck _is_ a gaffer anyway?

  [Darryl] A gaffer does the lighting for film and television,
  although I lit mostly television commercials. I had been working
  as a gaffer for about 10 years when we started the design firm.
  Since the design firm never really got going, I continued to earn
  a living making commercials for Federal Express (the funny ones),
  McDonalds, Nissan, Miller Lite, etc.

  And, if you want a great piece of trivia, the term gaffer comes
  from the old days in England when a gentleman went around lighting
  the gas lights each day at dusk. The tool he used to reach up to
  light the torch was called a gaffe. Now your readers know a top
  trade secret.

* [Adam] Sorry to interrupt. You were saying about Inline Design?

  [Darryl] Meanwhile, back at Inline Design, in short time we had
  sold over 10,000 copies [of Bomber] and I made a decision to
  resign from the film craftsman union and devote myself to Inline.
  I didn't have much choice since I was running the company out of
  my studio apartment on the Upper West Side and manufacturing the
  product on the bed. I would shrink wrap boxes until four or five
  in the morning each night. Since we included a free pair of
  headphones in every box, and I had to buy them in bulk, I had
  cartons piled to the ceiling in every square inch of the tiny
  apartment. The neighbors thought something strange was going on,
  but then again, we had the police running through the building on
  a regular basis with their guns out looking for burglars, so it
  was easy to overlook the shrink wrap fumes.

  Eventually I got married and moved to the woods in Sharon,
  Connecticut. My wife helped me run the company out of a spare
  room, and we got a company to manufacture the product. We came out
  with Darwin's Dilemma in 1990 and in 1991 released Swamp Gas
  Visits the USA, 3 in Three, and Mutant Beach. 3 in Three won the
  Eddy Award that year for best game. Swamp Gas was nominated as
  well, but lost out to Kid Pix. And, we finally hired our first
  employee.

  As sales grew we decided to leave the house for a real office. So,
  we packed everything up and moved to a gorgeous 7,700 square foot,
  150-year-old Victorian house that had been converted into
  corporate offices. We added more employees and released several
  more titles, including the Microseeds line of utilities that added
  considerably to our product line. New titles and re-released
  titles included Firefall Arcade, Swamp Gas Europe, INITPicker,
  Redux Deluxe, HAM, Icon 7, and PopupFolder.

* [Adam] Why did you decide to sell out to Focus? Was it a good
  idea, in retrospect?

  [Darryl] There was no question that the rapid consolidation in the
  software industry was beginning to hurt us. It was difficult to
  compete with companies that could afford to lose $50 million in
  one year (Spectrum Holobyte). Then Microsoft entered the consumer
  market and hired a small crew of 500 people to make it happen. The
  writing was on the wall. It was time to get out.

  We looked at many alternatives and felt pressure to move quickly.
  In hindsight, we made the wrong choice in a big way. It's no
  secret Focus has done nothing with the line and has lost a few of
  the titles completely due to lack of effort. As much as I would
  love to say more on this issue, I am contractually bound not to
  tell the real story. Too bad too, it's a good one...

* [Adam] OK, enough about Inline then. What gave you the idea of
  starting Cyberian Outpost?

  [Darryl] Frankly, I needed a job. When I returned from my seven
  months of exile in Woburn, Massachusetts trying to run Inline for
  a company that didn't have a clue about software, I spent my first
  unemployed time in 23 years thinking about what to do. I had a few
  offers from software companies to run them, but I felt strongly
  that the time had passed for small, ill-funded software companies.
  So, I went to San Francisco for Macworld Expo, which I hadn't
  missed in nine years, and did some consulting there. The other
  thing I did there was buy your book, Internet Starter Kit for
  Macintosh.

* [Adam] Thank you.

  [Darryl] Although I had been an online junkie since I bought a
  Mac, I had never explored the Internet. I had spent thousands of
  hours on CompuServe, a few hours on AOL (never my favorite place),
  used CONNECT (how many of you remember that dismal affair?), tried
  Prodigy (for about 10 minutes), and ran a BBS for NYMUG. But on
  the plane home from San Francisco, I read Internet Starter Kit for
  Macintosh cover to cover and decided to become an Internet junkie.

  I got home at around 2 AM, did some research on Internet service
  providers (ISPs), and was happily surfing the net by noon. The
  guys at Connix (my ISP) still think I'm a bit nuts. I told them I
  had to have an account right away and could not wait. Basically, I
  told them it was a matter of life or death. Dramatic, eh?

  So, I fired up MacWeb (thanks for the disk in the book!) and saw
  the Web for the first time. Within a few minutes I knew I had
  found my place in life. I saw instantly that the Web would change
  everything. Global boundaries disintegrated. Computer platforms
  would become irrelevant. Retail would never be the same. OK, so
  maybe some of these ideas took a few weeks to put together, but I
  spent 12 to 16 hours a day on the Web and visited thousands of
  sites during that time.

  Eventually, the idea of conducting computer retail on the Web
  began to form. I felt the Web provided huge benefits over paper-
  based catalogs and retail stores, and that by using the technology
  to its fullest, a virtual store could grab market share from the
  established players. Hundreds of hours went into the business plan
  and research. And since most of the research took place on the Web
  itself, it was a real pleasure putting in the time.

* [Adam] So you started Cyberian Outpost. The media talks a lot
  about how no one's making any money on the Web. Are you?

  [Darryl] Yes. We are probably one of the very few making money. We
  are not making much, as we prefer to re-invest nearly all our
  earnings in growing the company, but there is no question that we
  have done extremely well.

  [Tune in next week for the second part of this interview, in which
  Darryl talks about his experiences with Cyberian Outpost. -Adam]


Reviews/25-Mar-96
-----------------

* MacWEEK -- 18-Mar-96, Vol. 10, #11
    PowerBook Duo 2300c -- pg. 29
    Extreme 3D 1.0 -- pg. 29
    PowerBook 5300c -- pg. 30
    PowerBook Storage Options -- pg. 35
      SanDisk 85 MB FlashDisk
      Simple Technologies 170 MB DataCard
      VST Expansion Bay Hard Disk


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